Timeline of Bible History (TBH) translation

[erykjj]

After giving it some thought, I have decided to go ahead with the translation of TBH. It can be done quite fast using online tools. That is the easy part. The hard part is revision/correction.

If you are willing to volunteer your time/effort to a certain language, please let me know in this thread.

[JohnDoeDK]

I'm in! 👍

Danish

[erykjj]

I'm in! 👍

Please see the link to the framework strings in the opening post above ;-)

[JohnDoeDK]

@erykjj the abbreviations 'BCE' and 'CE', are they going to be translated elsewhere? Because in my language that would be 'f.v.t.' and 'e.v.t.'. If not, is it OK to write the danish translation with the abbreviations in parathesis, like this: "Før vor tidsregning (f.v.t.)

[chessurisme]

I'll work for Cebuano (perhaps Tagalog too)

[erykjj]

@erykjj the abbreviations 'BCE' and 'CE', are they going to be translated elsewhere? Because in my language that would be 'f.v.t.' and 'e.v.t.'. If not, is it OK to write the danish translation with the abbreviations in parathesis, like this: "Før vor tidsregning (f.v.t.)

I have added the missing terms (abbreviations) to the list. Thank you for catching that!!

[JohnDoeDK]

Danish translation here: 😊
TBH-Da-DK .txt

[JohnDoeDK]

Reviewed version, a more appropriate word added.
TBH-Da-DK-v1.1 .txt

[erykjj]

Reviewed version, a more appropriate word added. TBH-Da-DK-v1.1 .txt

Excellent! Very professional :-) Hang in there for the next part.

[JohnDoeDK]

@erykjj I got the invitation, but there's nothing in the file to translate?

[chessurisme]

Do not be surprised if I haven't translated some of the text; the equivalent Cebuano term is quite obsolete for modern usage. Language is constantly evolving.

Cebuano
Impormasyon
Bersiyon
Dugang impormasyon ug mga update
Credits
Timeline sa Kasaysayan sa Bibliya
Kronolohikal nga kompilasyon sa mga panghitabo (kadaghanan) nga may kalabotan sa kasaysayan sa Bibliya ug gibase sa
Kini nga publikasyon dili ibaligya. Naa kini sa Public Domain.
Legend
Talagsaong mga panghitabo nakabaga ug letra
Abbreviations
'Before the Common Era'
B.C.E.
'Common Era'
C.E.
'after'
a.
'before'
b.
'*circa*', 'mga'
c.
Ang gibutangan ug mga tag nagpaila sa lokasyon niini
Asia Minor
Africa
Arabia
Mediteranyo
Mesopotamia
Palestina
Kalibutan
Ang mga tag nga naay shade nagpaila sa mga gingharian nga nalangkit
Asirya
Babilonya
Ehipto
Gresya
Israel
Juda
Persia
Roma
Timeline sa Kasaysayan sa Bibliya
Talagsaong nga mga Hitabo
Sikat nga mga Tawo
Pag-ilogay sa Gahom
Mga hari sa Israel
Mga hari sa Juda
Gahom sa Kalibotan
Mga Gubat
Sagradong mga Basahon
Pagsulat sa Bibliya
Hubad sa Bibliya
Pagsimba
Mga Patriarka
Pinili nga Nasod
Tagna
Ang Mesiyas
Kristiyano
Kakristiyanohan

[chessurisme]

I've edited the 'Timeline of Bible History' to 'Timeline sa Kasaysayan sa Bibliya'.

[erykjj]

@xrtxn, @korotkiyYurii, @aemb77, @Dosojin1, @ferrarantonio, @Goykew, @Radieserlbrot, @Montanhine, @a821153070

Would any of you have the time to undertake this translation? about 860 strings!!

[Montanhine]

I can do! Not everything at one time, but I can try to do it, for sure! =D Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 21:57, Eryk J. ***@***.***> escreveu:

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[ferrarantonio]

Ok, I will try. Do you have a deadline? Antonio Il giorno gio 21 mar 2024 alle 01:57 Eryk J. ***@***.***> ha scritto:

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[korotkiyYurii]

Sorry I missed a previous email. Seems 2 weeks will be enough чт, 21 бер. 2024 р., 08:33 користувач ferrarantonio < ***@***.***> пише:

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Ok, I will try. Do you have a deadline? Antonio Il giorno gio 21 mar 2024 alle 01:57 Eryk J. ***@***.***> ha scritto: > @xrtxn <https://github.com/xrtxn>, @korotkiyYurii > <https://github.com/korotkiyYurii>, @aemb77 <https://github.com/aemb77>, > @Dosojin1 <https://github.com/Dosojin1>, @ferrarantonio > <https://github.com/ferrarantonio>, @Goykew <https://github.com/Goykew>, > @Radieserlbrot <https://github.com/Radieserlbrot>, @Montanhine > <https://github.com/Montanhine>, @a821153070 > <https://github.com/a821153070> > > Would any of you have the time to undertake this translation? about 860 > strings!! > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#37 (comment)>, > or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ASRFYUWP264C2NKWFVRJZH3YZIV67AVCNFSM6AAAAABEZVEDKGVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDAMJQHE4TENZYHE> > . > You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#37 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ANFLV42UBS7ETVLIIU2U42DYZJ5KRAVCNFSM6AAAAABEZVEDKGVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDAMJRGMYTCMJUGE> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[erykjj]

Hi @andy5489

I appreciate your help. See you in the other repo ;-)

[Gomirato]

Ciao, non conosco lo stato della traduzione, ma posso esser d'aiuto per quella in Italiano??

[erykjj]

@Gomirato
Thank you for your willingness to help. The Italian translation has had a lot of volunteers!! It is almost completed. Maybe on a future project you can be of assistance ;-)

[opathofer]

After giving it some thought, I have decided to go ahead with the translation of TBH. It can be done quite fast using online tools. That is the easy part. The hard part is revision/correction.

If you are willing to volunteer your time/effort to a certain language, please let me know in this thread.

I would be happy to try a translation into german.

[erykjj]

Hi @opathofer,
Thank you for your offer of assistance.
Can you access the strings on crowdin.com? https://crowdin.com/project/tbhist/de

[erykjj]

Hi @opathofer , were you able to access the strings on crowdin.com?

[erykjj]

@opathofer ,
Thank you for working on this!
What name/handle should I use in the credits for you?

[erykjj]

@opathofer
Are you still available?

[erykjj]

@Gomirato, @andy5489, @DeadalusNF, @ferrarantonio:
Despite all the volunteers, the Italian translation is "stuck". Wondering if you're still willing/available to help :-)

[erykjj]

@andy5489, @DeadalusNF,
Do you think you could give @Gomirato a hand with finishing this one, please?

[erykjj]

@Gomirato ,
Thank you for working on this!
What name/handle should I use in the credits for you?

[TomVanReeth]

Hi Eryk, and Dosojin1 It is indeed sometimes difficult to translate Christianity and christendom. The one christendom is translated as “christenheid” in het nederlands See link for a good definition of both terms. https://wol.jw.org/nl/wol/fn/r18/lp-o/1101990042/0 Hope I help you both. Greetings Tom

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[erykjj]

Thank you, Tom, but your link doesn't work...

I posted this one https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=O&docid=1101990042&srctype=wol&par=50 in a comment above. You guys figure it out ;-)

[TomVanReeth]

The link does it fine, You have to put your wol.jw.org <http://wol.jw.org/> in dutch/nl

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[erykjj]

I get: "Er is een fout opgetreden tijdens het verwerken van je verzoek. Probeer het opnieuw."
Please paste the link in again. Thanks.

[erykjj]

Nevermind, it should be: https://wol.jw.org/nl/wol/fn/r18/lp-o/1101990042/0
You had a hidden character at then end

[erykjj]

And it's exactly the same info I pointed to :-)

[TomVanReeth]

I think he has a good view how to Translate thé issue Op do 16 jan 2025 19:27 schreef Eryk J. ***@***.***>:

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[Dosojin1]

@erykjj @TomVanReeth
I have also found that article, it was at first a bit confusing.
But WOL helped me to find the correct translation 😉

[opathofer]

Hello Eryk I’ve been feeling bad about this for weeks. Initially, I thought it would be a straightforward 1:1 translation, but I now see that the system requires a different approach—certainly very professional, but not something I can easily manage. If it had been a simple translation, I could have completed it in 1–2 full workdays. Unfortunately, I am currently very busy with other responsibilities, including a new assignment and some privileges for this summer season. I’m happy to keep this on my backburner, but I won’t be able to contribute actively. Sorry for that, and thank you for understanding.

[erykjj]

Hi Oliver,

Of course I understand, my brother. I am glad modesty prevailed :-)

This is a very complicated project to translate - and it's huge. So, no worries.

But, if you do find a little bit of time, I do have something much easier: I have already translated my JWLManager app into German (using online tools), but it needs revision. The strings are here: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/jwlmanager/-/de/ Of course, take your time ;-)

[opathofer]

Thank you so much for understanding, yes that is a good compromise 😊 From: Eryk J. ***@***.***> Sent: 17 February 2025 15:18 To: erykjj/jwpublib ***@***.***> Cc: Oliver Pathofer ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [erykjj/jwpublib] Timeline of Bible History (TBH) translation (Discussion #65) Hi Oliver, Of course I understand, my brother. I am glad modesty prevailed :-) This is a very complicated project to translate - and it's huge. So, no worries. But, if you do find a little bit of time, I do have something much easier: I have already translated my JWLManager app into German (using online tools), but it needs revision. The strings are here: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/jwlmanager/-/de/ Of course, take your time ;-) — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#65 (reply in thread)> , or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AORE5FXV3R2W3GIMSI2R4YT2QHVPXAVCNFSM6AAAAABUQECKFWVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43URDJONRXK43TNFXW4Q3PNVWWK3TUHMYTEMRSGU2DCNY> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AORE5FTHQWCYORGKSPUNIOT2QHVPXA5CNFSM6AAAAABUQECKFWWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNRIRUXGY3VONZWS33OINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTQAXKFYS.gif> Message ID: ***@***.*** ***@***.***> >

[DeadalusNF]

Ciao Erykjj.
Ho finito la traduzione della "Time line" TBH. Fammi sapere se tutto ok.
Un abbraccio

Fabrizio.
Sunredline.

[erykjj]

Grazie, Fabrizio :-)

I will try to package a pre-release version for you to see your strings "in real life". Hopefully by tomorrow night ;-)

[erykjj]

@DeadalusNF & @andy5489 @ferrarantonio @Gomirato

I attach the release candidate of TBH in Italian. Please review and adjust the translation on crowdin.com.

Please note (Frabrizio): please don't add "detail" like the name of the months in Hebrew, or even adding "Magno" to "Alejandro". Please correct those that have been modified in this way ;-)

Also, the description of the project should be: Una raccolta cronologica di eventi (principalmente) relativi alla storia biblica e basata su

Just remove the .zip
TBH_RC_I.jwpub.zip

[erykjj]

@DeadalusNF & @andy5489 @ferrarantonio @Gomirato
Can one of you, please, revise this?

[pfamoldovan]

După ce m-am gândit puțin, am decis să merg mai departe cu traducerea TBH. Se poate face destul de rapid folosind instrumente online. Aceasta este partea ușoară . Partea grea este revizuirea/corecția .

Dacă sunteți dispus să vă oferiți voluntar timpul/efortul într-o anumită limbă, vă rugăm să-mi spuneți în acest thread.

Da. Mă ofer să traduc în limba română. Mulțumim

[erykjj]

Excellent, @pfamoldovan !

Let's ensure the other two are checked and corrected. Then we can try another one :-)

[doulos-achreios]

Hello @erykjj👋
As the recent E-A project translation into Polish seems to be doing well😉 I just wonder if similar translation of TBH into Polish could be started? Ofc unless sb has already taken to it. Let me know pls

[erykjj]

Great! No, Polish TBH has not been done. It is much more difficult, as it involves a lot of names. Let's get E-A confirmed and published, then we can try this ;-)

[doulos-achreios]

Ok. Most of the names are commonly present in theocratic or secular publications, so it seems be more typing than thinking though😂 Details may prove difficult like abbreviations or section titles that render sense rather than word-for-word😀 Looking fwd to hearing from you soon👋 W dniu czw., 20 mar 2025 o 15:00 Eryk J. ***@***.***> napisał(a):

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[erykjj]

I set up the strings here: https://crowdin.com/project/tbhist/pl
Thank you!

[doulos-achreios]

Hello @erykjj👋 Concerning TBH, date_strings.csv and framework_strings.csv done. Alas, a lot of false spellcheck alerts evoked, mainly for Polish versions of Hebrew & Greek names, which I’d rendered as in Polish theocratic sources, eg. “All Scripture” (si — Study Nr 3), or “Insight” (it-1 — Chronology). Some punctuation differences as well, which I tried to keep consistent. Eg. in Polish ordinal numbers are abbreviated as digit+full stop (“seventh” = “7.”) and names of months always rendered in lower case unless beginning a sentence etc. No single rule existing for weekdays abbreviations I consistently rendered them in 1.st upper case. Much easier though is the issue (in some languages) of B.C.E./C.E. and B.C. (Before Christ) as in Polish p.n.e./n.e. abbreviations are exclusively used & pertaining “before /common era”). “a.=after” &”b.=before” not so easy, same first letter in Polish😀 so, “po” (=“after”) left without short, and “przed” (=“before”) “p.” as in “p.n.e.” Suggestions: 1️⃣Bible translation: to supplement all entries with information on edition language (not obvious for non-English readers) e.g. Quaker Bible, Thomson’s Translation, Young’s Literal Translation, Webster’s Revision etc. (just one-word in brackets, “English”). 2️⃣In a TBH release for Polish users to add some entries of most important among dozens of Polish translations (Brest Bible being the only one in TBH so far). I suggest at least 4 (*Jakub Wujek* & *Millenium* chosen as vastly used and impactive): • 1455 C.E. ‣Bible of Queen Sophia published (first in Polish) • 1599 C.E. ‣Jakub Wujek Bible published (Polish, from Vulgate) • 1965 C.E. ‣Millennium Bible published (Polish, from Hebrew & Greek) • 1997 C.E. ‣New World Translation published in Polish — Pertaining Brest Bible, I suggest to add: (Polish, first translation from Hebrew & Greek) 3️⃣Suggestion to add 3 entries significant (e.g. for prevalence of believers etc.) in section: Sacred texts /sacred texts • c. 400 B.C.E. ‣Avesta compiled (Zoroastrianism) • 1604 C.E. ‣Guru Granth Sahib compiled (Sikhism) • 1829 C.E. ‣The Book of Mormon completed (Latter-day Saints) 4️⃣Suggestion to distinguish with a slightly different shade of color the events: •described in the Bible (or in the Bible and secular sources) •described exclusively in secular sources — BTW, please accept sincere commend for TBH idea. Superimposing the timeline of events described in the Bible on the timeline containing known & verified world events and historical figures, dividing the collected information into sets & organizing them according to places of occurrence, eras, nature of events and still keeping it concise is brilliant! PS. How's Polish release of E-A? 😉 czw., 20 mar 2025 o 15:42 Eryk J. ***@***.***> napisał(a):

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[erykjj]

Hi @doulos-achreios

Excellent feedback once again, my friend :-)

Concerning TBH, date_strings.csv and framework_strings.csv done. Alas, a lot of false spellcheck alerts evoked, mainly for Polish versions of Hebrew & Greek names, which I’d rendered as in Polish theocratic sources, eg. “All Scripture” (si — Study Nr 3), or “Insight” (it-1 — Chronology).

You should be able to just ignore and dismiss these:

Some punctuation differences as well, which I tried to keep consistent. Eg. in Polish ordinal numbers are abbreviated as digit+full stop (“seventh” = “7.”) and names of months always rendered in lower case unless beginning a sentence etc. No single rule existing for weekdays abbreviations I consistently rendered them in 1.st upper case. Much easier though is the issue (in some languages) of B.C.E./C.E. and B.C. (Before Christ) as in Polish p.n.e./n.e. abbreviations are exclusively used & pertaining “before /common era”). “a.=after” &”b.=before” not so easy, same first letter in Polish😀 so, “po” (=“after”) left without short, and “przed” (=“before”) “p.” as in “p.n.e.”

I see. si (for example) uses "po" & "przed". I guess we'll just use that as well.

Suggestions: 1️⃣Bible translation: to supplement all entries with information on edition language (not obvious for non-English readers) e.g. Quaker Bible, Thomson’s Translation, Young’s Literal Translation, Webster’s Revision etc. (just one-word in brackets, “English”).

Very good point. I will update the strings later.

2️⃣In a TBH release for Polish users to add some entries of most important among dozens of Polish translations (Brest Bible being the only one in TBH so far). I suggest at least 4 (Jakub Wujek & Millenium chosen as vastly used and impactive): • 1455 C.E. ‣Bible of Queen Sophia published (first in Polish) • 1599 C.E. ‣Jakub Wujek Bible published (Polish, from Vulgate) • 1965 C.E. ‣Millennium Bible published (Polish, from Hebrew & Greek) • 1997 C.E. ‣New World Translation published in Polish — Pertaining Brest Bible, I suggest to add: (Polish, first translation from Hebrew & Greek)

I have added the first two.

I don't want to get too much into more recent history, as the number of translations "explodes". And I only mention the first release (in English) of the NWT. It would be too much to keep up with all the languages that it is being translated into :-)

3️⃣Suggestion to add 3 entries significant (e.g. for prevalence of believers etc.) in section: Sacred texts /sacred texts • c. 400 B.C.E. ‣Avesta compiled (Zoroastrianism) • 1604 C.E. ‣Guru Granth Sahib compiled (Sikhism) • 1829 C.E. ‣The Book of Mormon completed (Latter-day Saints)

Good points. I have added the first two.

4️⃣Suggestion to distinguish with a slightly different shade of color the events: •described in the Bible (or in the Bible and secular sources) •described exclusively in secular sources

This is doable. But the ones already mentioned in the Bible have a scripture reference included. Am I missing something?

PS. How's Polish release of E-A? 😉

Coming :-)